Update - 10:13 p.m.: I wanted to give you all considering a LeConte hike Tuesday the most current trail conditions. I've spoken tonight with people who've climbed both Rainbow Falls and Alum Cave Bluff Trails on Monday afternoon/evening. While the Park Service has roads to both trailheads open tonight (as far as I know), the preferred trail Tuesday would still be Rainbow Falls based on the reports I've gathered tonight. We bumped our guest count up to 28 from two last night. All of the guests hiked the Rainbow Falls Trail. The time period for hiking Rainbow Falls Trail I heard from hikers today ranged from four hours from a gentleman who completed a half triathlon last week to eight hours for a family of four (including children and a grandmother). The trail can be considered fairly well packed, but slush will become more of a factor in creating cold, wet feet Tuesday. General manager Tim Line (who through hiked the Appalachian Trail in his youth) descended Alum Cave Bluff Trail Monday about midday. His descent was harder than he expected, particularly in the middle third of the trail, and took him double the time of his normal hike. Additionally, crew members Lesley, Rachel and Matt (all fine hikers) climbed Alum Cave Bluff Trail Monday to return to work. They also reported their ascent took double their normal time. In particular, they say that the snow is deep, unpacked and powdery in the flat section between Gracie's Pulpit and the lower set of wooden stairs. There are also some deep drifts below Alum Cave Bluff, some reported to be mid-thigh high. Based on those first-hand accounts, LeConte Lodge recommends utilizing Rainbow Falls Trail Tuesday (and probably Wednesday). Alum Cave Bluff Trail is passable for strong hikers, but Rainbow Falls makes more sense at this time. Please continue to stay off Bullhead, Boulevard and Trillium Gap Trails for now. At the lodge, we experienced much higher temperatures than I expected and saw some melting today. That will contribute to more slush and refreeze into ice up nearing the summit. Again, please bring ice traction devices regardless of which trail you use. The temperatures, snow depth and wind are improving, but the slush and ice create different issues underfoot. This will serve as the early High on LeConte update for Tuesday, Nov. 4. Depending on work schedule, I'll try to post some photos during the afternoon. Be careful and happy trails. ---------- Good morning to all of you High on LeConte readers. We're enjoying another stunning (and warmer) morning at LeConte Lodge. Our temperature readings need some explaining. Our official high and low for Sunday was 27 and 9. However, we enjoyed a warming trend overnight, and the 27-degree reading was taken at 6:30 a.m. Monday. The 9-degree reading came from Sunday morning, right after we reported. Sunday was sunny and beautiful all day. The sunset and this morning's sunrise was subdued, but lovely. We still have 20 inches of snow on the ground. I expect we will begin to see more melting today, as the forecast for Monday and Tuesday calls for warming temperatures and plenty of sun. However, the chance for precipitation ramps up again Wednesday night. We'll be watching that closely to see if the precipitation and temperature match to create more snow. The Park Service told us this morning that Cherokee Orchard Road is currently open, allowing access to Rainbow Falls Trail. We still advise against using Bullhead, as the snow was so thick and unbroken the other night we had to leave our rescue litter out there because it was slowing down our rescue effort. As of 7 a.m., U.S. Highway 441 was still closed, according to park officials. They are working on making that safe for travel (I understand there are still icy spots) and will open it when they can. Whatever the situation with the road, keep in mind that it gets dark quite early now that we've switched to Standard Time. Don't begin hiking any trail too late. No one has broken the Boulevard Trail from Newfound Gap. Under no circumstance should any hiker attempt to use the Boulevard Trail to access the lodge until we see some more melting. We did have two of our 53 expected guests arrive last night about 8:20 p.m. They hiked the Rainbow Falls Trail and it took them seven hours to reach the lodge. They arrived on their own power and were in good spirits. They did say it was a tough hike with plenty of rhododendron to crawl under and occasional snow drifts slowing down their effort. However, on the whole, our guests said our previous departing parties had done a pretty good job of breaking trail and packing down the snow. While the trail will become more packed today and we'll see some melting, keep in mind that the refrozen ice can be more dangerous than snow. I wouldn't dare hike LeConte this week without some sort of ice traction device. Finally, to close on a lighter note, I'll announce the results of the LeConte Lodge crew jack-o-lantern competition. On Halloween night guests voted for five entrants carved by crew members. The winner was to receive the chance to sleep in through breakfast work on a day of their choosing. Lesley entered the most prophetic jack-o-lantern, as she carved a snowflake and wrote "Winter is coming" above it. She was spot on to the tune of 22 inches of snow. Pat and Jeanie carved a Tinkerbell jack-o-lantern, radiating points of flashing light. Ruthie carved a friendly ghost with a branching tree. Brad and Nicholette offered up a bear complete with pumpkin ears. I carved a historic scene from LeConte's history: Jack Huff carrying his mom up LeConte on his back in a straight-back chair in 1929. We had a fine assortment of different ideas in the entrants, and everyone had a fun time carving. In the end, with the entire crew serving as vote counters, the guests voted for my carving of heroic Jack Huff, one of the patron saints of LeConte Lodge, going above and beyond for his beloved mother in her desire to reach the summit of LeConte. Things have been interesting up here, so I haven't been able to able to sleep through breakfast yet. If you come see us, please use wisdom and prepare. Things will be getting better on the trails, but it's still difficult out there. Happy trails.
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Jeanette Meyer
11/3/2014 12:53:41 am
Beautiful calming photo after all the excitement…Love all the pumpkins & congrats to the winner! Great tribute! Stay warm! Jeanette
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Jessica
11/3/2014 12:54:08 am
My husband and I are scheduled to stay at the lodge tonight. We've always hiked Alum Cave trail up. Is this dangerous to do today? Or should we do the Rainbow falls trail? We have adequate huking equipment, etc. Thanks!
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beckie langston
11/3/2014 01:06:58 am
Jessica, 441 is still closed. you cant reach that trail head. May be open by noon. Probably not enough time to get there by dark even if it opens. Only 4 people hiked down that trail yesterday, we hiked down rainbow. Rainbow is currently your only option. Get an early start!!!. Tough hiking @ the top.
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Jessica
11/3/2014 01:27:29 am
Thanks for the reply Beckie! Will be taking Rainbow then. We've never done that one before. Will be starting around 10:30 after we stop to talk to the park rangers.
Steve D
11/3/2014 01:31:01 am
Jessica-your post concerns me and I apologize in advance if I misunderstood. If you were very prepared to do this hike, I think you would have a clear picture of the dangers from reading yesterday's and today's posts by Nathan and what other hikers and bloggers have said. The two hikers that made it yesterday started late and ended up with a 7 hr hike with the last two or so hours in the dark. Are you prepared to do 7 hrs and/or hike in the dark? You are asking about the Alum Cave Trl but could have found out about it on your own or by Nathan's post this morning. Rainbow Falls is 1.5 miles longer than Alum and I assure you that in these severe conditions it makes a difference. Here it is 9 o'clock and you haven't made these very basic but vitally important decisions. That is what worries me. I wish you the best and pray for your safety should you decide to hike today.
Jackie Hale
11/3/2014 07:17:19 am
could you offer any support/information regarding the conditions of the Rainbow Falls trail?
Beckie Langston
11/3/2014 01:03:16 am
I want to say the LeConte Staff was amazing this weekend. I am the gal who prayed this snow would happen. Being there to witness such beauty was a dream come true. I have stayed in many resorts. From Turtle Bay Oahu, HI to luxury ski resorts in the west, to the beautiful island of St Lucia & NEVER HAVE I BEEN TREATED SO NICELY & TAKEN SO WELL CARE OF AS WE WERE BY THE AMAZING STAFF OF MT LECONTE!! We stayed the extra night, Saturday night, & hiked down rainbow with a group of 11 on Sunday. Everyone made it out safe & sound!! I noticed a comment from yesterdays post about how you can fix almost anything with duct tape. We brought duct tape!!! & it was well used. We taped hand warmers to a guys feet, we taped the bottom of pants to boots, called them "red neck gaiters", we taped garbage bags to the legs of a guy hiking out in jeans & tennis shoes. Thought this would be a funny fact to share! I doubt we will ever get to see the mountain like that ever again & we are so grateful & humbled & appreciative to have been apart of it. Again, Mt LeConte Staff, you rock!!!! Thanks you manager Tim for allowing us to stay longer until we felt safer. We owe you a trash can :0!! I hike up 5 or 6 times a year....I will make that up next season! Love you all!!!! Thanks again!!!
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Bill Skaggs
11/3/2014 04:22:05 am
Becky - First off, thanks for the duct tape yesterday. The "red neck gaiters" really worked. Not sure if I will have hand warmers taped to my feet again. The discomfort may have outweighed the benefit of the warmth. Anyway, just so you guys know, Jim and I finally got to our car at about 5:30. This is because I was so slow. I was not in any distress, just tired and sore. Our car was the last one in the lot, other than the one for the people that made it up last night. Really enjoyed your company for the weekend. I especially was glad to learn that new use for a banjo pick.
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Karen Coleman
11/3/2014 01:18:08 am
Glad you all took time out and warmed those stragglers the other day.
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Pat N
11/3/2014 01:34:33 am
The scenery is breathtaking as are the pumpkins. Great trail advice.
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Steve D
11/3/2014 01:49:30 am
I am going to repeat something Nathan said yesterday then I will sign off for the day. I just worry about the unprepared folks who may be taking on the worst possible conditions. Nathan in yesterday's 915am section said this-" If you are an excellent hiker, have good winter gear(including ice traction devices)and accept the risk of what can easily happen on the trail(including death) then begin hiking rainbow Falls as soon as possible.
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Beckie langston
11/3/2014 01:59:46 am
Steve, I was really shocked to see some of the things we seen up there this weekend. We packed in extra stuff just for that reason & put everything we brought to use for other hikers. Including water proof pants for a couple in their 70's to hike down in. As i stated, we duct taped them closed @ the bottom of their legs. It looks so beautiful but can go so wrong very quickly.
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Katrina Elliott
11/3/2014 03:19:45 am
What is the best way to get in touch with the staff at Mt. LeConte regarding reservations we have for this weekend (11/8 and 11/9). We had originally planned on bringing our 2 children (ages 6 and 4) but are obviously very concerned with the weather conditions. When I try to call the (865) 429-5704 I continue to get a busy signal. Thanks in advance for your help! Much appreciated!!!
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Patrick
11/3/2014 03:29:49 pm
Katrina, we are scheduled to hike up on the 9th and down on the 10th. And were planning on hiking with 4 children. (10, 8, 6, & 4). But obviously we are concerned too and probably going with plan B because of weather conditions, leave the kids with grandparents. I'm an experienced hiker and have lost count the number of times I've stayed at the lodge. I have experienced all kinds of weather conditions through the years and in these conditions it is a hard challenging hike for adults (even with proper gear). If conditions do not improve over the next several days, I will not chance it with my children. I am really, really bummed! Last time I went up in November it was 72 and sunny. I was really looking forward to finally having my wife and kids all together at the lodge this year. But I'm just not sure it is going to happen. I will keep a close eye on the daily reports and make the call the day before our hike. But, unfortunately it looks like plan B for my crew for now.
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S Adams
11/4/2014 12:52:25 am
May try calling today. Yesterday was the last day to pay for 2015 Reservations...maybe you can reach them today. Also you can dial over and over without stopping and eventually catch a line in.
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Like so many others here I enjoy the daily comments, posts, and photographs posted by the lodge crew as well as the many comments of readers. However, today I cannot seem to adequately compose the most appropriate words with which to describe how the great crew at the lodge performs their duties, then they go beyond the call of duty to protect and serve those guests who are in need of assistance on the mountain. At any hour, under any conditions, the crew exemplifies the best of behaviors and actions under such potentially difficult conditions without a second thought otherwise. I feel like giving them my bronze star for their gallant efforts ! So, I will say but this: BRAVO !!
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Marilyn
11/3/2014 05:12:33 am
Katrina,..you probably will just have to keep dialing and keep dialing. I imagine they are quite swamped with questions about reservations and trails and conditions, etc. You might also try emailing them. You can probably get the email address from this site. And just continue reading this site for weather conditions as well as checking weather.com. Good luck and safe hiking.
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Kent
11/3/2014 05:25:29 am
A very artful tribute to Jack Huff's legendary feat, Nathan. Very impressive!
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Erin
11/3/2014 05:27:30 am
My fiancé and I will be hiking up tomorrow, Tuesday. If anyone would like to join us to hike up together, meet us at the Rainbow Falls trail head between 7-7:30 a.m.
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Ryan La
11/3/2014 05:44:07 am
Afternoon all, what a difference 11 days can make. Allyson brought me a cup of hot chocolate on the back porch of the dinning hall on the 24th of last month while I was rocking in the chairs. I imagine that would be chest deep now with show. I will be going up rainbow or alum weather permitting on the 6th of this month with an entirely different backpack. Even through I live in south Louisiana and this will only be my 20th trip up Leconte, from my first trip up my pack weight was 20 pounds. Before even attempting to hike Leconte I did my research. Spent the money for the rite equipment, had more than enough food and water. But what helps the most is I read the Blog and stay up to date on the weather even a week in advance. If and when I decide to hike it will be a early and I mean early start. I will have to agree with Steve D. 1030 is way too late to start with the present conditions the trails are in. P.S. smooth the trails for me and knock all the snow off the rhododendrons, not much for snow down the back of my neck, Ha Ha.
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Steve D
11/3/2014 11:37:05 pm
Hey Ryan-enjoy your hike, would love to go with you but we are heading to Florida to see our daughter.
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David
11/3/2014 05:58:33 am
Re-considering our trip scheduled to leave on the 8th (Saturday), as we would be hiking with kids. Do those with experience think we will still have snow and ice on the trails this Saturday? Probably going to release our reservation for 3 to 4 people on Saturday and Sunday night.
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From Thursday night into the foreseeable future (into next week), it will be below freezing every night on the summit. Despite daytime warm temps, the snow will not be all gone by then. What remains of that, and the new moisture that comes down, will all freeze. It is going to be an icy mess, definitely. Fine--even fun--if you have serious cold-weather clothing and microspikes or real crampons. This is not to say no one should give it a go, just that you absolutely have to be prepared.
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boyd
11/3/2014 06:08:06 am
Not an ex
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Jackie Hale
11/3/2014 07:45:37 am
we "Totaling 7" are scheduled to summit Leconte on Wednesday.
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Erin
11/3/2014 09:00:10 am
Could someone please report the condition on the Rainbow Falls Trail today, after you pass the falls?
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Jackie Hale
11/3/2014 09:29:57 am
anyone else planning a summit on Wednesday? Via Rainbow Falls.
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David
11/3/2014 09:47:36 am
One more question - What's the best source of weather predictions for the top of the mountain? A city like Gatlinburg or Cherokee - 10 degrees? Or is there a better site? Just trying to get an idea. Thank you for your helpful post.
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To be conservative, I'd figure on at least 15 degrees difference between the Gatlinburg forecast and the summit conditions. Yet it is so much more complicated than that. You have to figure in the melting and refreezing on the summit. Then there are the differences between the shady spruce-fir forest and the open hardwoods where the sun is much more powerful. Reminds me of when I hiked in northern New England and the higher elevation areas above treeline were snow-free much earlier than in the lower spruce forest. Makes it kind of fun and challenging except that you realize there's a lot of idiots who don't think in these terms at all.
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My comment must have seemed very harsh. Let's put it this way: most of the time folks can treat the Lodge just like a hotel, except a bit harder to get to. In those conditions it doesn't take any special knowledge of mountain weather or mountain conditions to head up there and have a great stay on top. If it's rainy you put on your raingear and still get up there--anyone could figure that out. This situation happens to be different. What is needed now, due to the unusually early winter conditions, is very close attention to the weather and a bit of common sense about how the conditions will play out. This is where I get aggravated (kind of funny!) because I realize folks have no interest in observing the actual details of weather, etc. So I apologize for getting irritated. It's just that we've crossed the line between being able to get up there just plugging your way up, versus actually having to observe the details of the conditions and use some knowledge about how to deal with those conditions. OK, I'll go away now! :)
Jan
11/4/2014 12:35:56 am
You crack me up sometimes, Jenny! When I read that first one, I thought "there's a lady who's had to go out in this stuff and help people!!". Then I read your second one, and you're right about that! Example... the guy with the jeans and tennis shoes they brought in just the other day. OR... how about that family with the little children that rangers had to risk their lives to go out and find? And the good people at LeConte brought them in? Mother Nature can be very unforgiving if you don't respect her. An add the mountains to that... is a very deadly mix. We are but little specks in that world, but man... what a beautiful world that is! Those mountains and mother nature... WOW. Just gotta respect 'em!!! So, I know what you are saying Jenny!! Be smart!!!! :)
Spot forcast from noaa
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Missy
11/4/2014 12:37:15 am
http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-LeConte/forecasts/2010
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Trevor
11/4/2014 05:24:44 am
Aside form first-hand updates posted to this blog (the best resource) as to current conditions, a weather forecast for LeConte summit is available here...be sure to select "Forecasts: 6595 ft":
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Sherri
11/3/2014 10:26:11 am
Hi all, We are headed up tomorrow (Tues) and we are excited but nervous with all the posts. We have our micro spikes, snow pants and (hopefully) expertise. At this point, we're planning Rainbow, but we would prefer Alum, so if anyone has info from today on either Rainbow or Alum, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and safe hiking for all
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David
11/3/2014 12:55:54 pm
Thank you Jenny and Sandy, too cold for my young kids. Going to work on Plan B and a reservation for September in coming years. Best of luck to all, I bet its stunning up there.
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boyd
11/3/2014 01:17:18 pm
Young kids would be a concern for sure. Someone mentioned 2 and 6 which sounds way too young for any type of adversity.
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Chris
11/3/2014 01:48:30 pm
I am booked to climb Wed. my friend has backed out but I would still like to climb. I would like to find others to climb with starting time? Looks like Rainbow. Please reply if your willing
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Jackie Hale
11/3/2014 02:17:39 pm
hey Chris! Find me on Fb & message me. I have a group of 7 going up.
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chris
11/3/2014 06:14:48 pm
couldn't find you on fb
Jackie Hale
11/3/2014 07:56:05 pm
Chris- just shoot me an email with your number.
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Karen Vineyard
11/4/2014 05:42:58 am
I was with the group that hiked down Alum on Saturday, November 1st. It was the toughest thing I've ever done. It took us 7 hours. It was extremely slow. We had three guys leading the group and they would take turns blazing the trail. We came to cuts where the snow was well over our head and you could not see the trail. They would shuffle back and forth to cut a trail for those of us behind. The staff at the Lodge are so great. They were spot on in telling us this would be extremely hard. The rangers were also great. They met us at the Alum trailhead and had plowed in front of our vehicles. They then led us out with the snow plow. I have a new respect for the mountain. I wish I could post pictures for everyone to see. When people say it is difficult, they mean it. My advice would be to always have hiking gaiters, yak trax, flashlights or head lamps, water proof clothes, extra socks and extra gloves. If you are prepared and the trails are passable, it is beautiful!
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Bill Skaggs
11/4/2014 07:38:15 am
Karen: I was also at the lodge on Halloween night, but didn't hike out until Sunday. The staff announced at supper on Saturday night that everyone that hiked out Saturday morning had made it down safely. This was a great relief at the time, and even more so after reading your account. Going down Sunday on Rainbow was not as difficult, but it still took a long time. Again, glad you made it!
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Karen Vineyard
11/5/2014 05:11:10 am
Thanks so much Bill Skaggs! Glad you made it out safely too! Leave a Reply. |
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